Tim Morley 
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Re: “Taken by Force

Try this one on for size : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GNp-ZB9Qmo

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Posted by Tim Morley on 10/09/2014 at 10:12 AM

Re: “Taken by Force

You have to admit, Mr. Payne (and you did, in your own way) according to what you say, you left a lot of things out. Folks naturally wonder why, if there were other factors in play, they weren't mentioned. When you change your story when questioned, your credibility becomes suspect.

I would like to add something many of you might not have considered. Police officers have a chain of command and are accountable to their supervisors. I would imagine any situation requiring "at least 10 officers and a battering ram" would have at least a sergeant's involvement and quite possibly a lieutenant or captain's. The decision to involve that many officers, damage private property and make a forced entry is not something made lightly. I'm sure the police considered factors in the situation you and I know nothing about.

Best of luck with your next effort. I would suggest, as alluded to above, "Burned-Why Did They Send a Big Fire Truck when I just Smelled a Little Smoke ?"

Vincent B., I liked the "overkill" comparison. Thanks to all for your supportive and insightful comments.

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Posted by Tim Morley on 10/05/2014 at 7:47 PM

Re: “Taken by Force

Gosh, this Henrico incident just seems to evolve as we go along. Ten cars and "at least 10 officers." Now, after being called to task about your opinion.....now, way on into the course of our discussion, it comes out that you 1) know the victim, 2)spoke to her several times during the event, 3) watched an argument, 4) knew the "nature of the perceived threat (?)" "had first hand knowledge",5) went on a ride along , etc. (the decision on whether to take you on a call would have been up to the officer, you might have been taken to a potentially violent call but kept out of harms way.)Why weren't all these "facts" ever mentioned in the context of your article? Wouldn't a fair and balanced viewpoint have shared this wealth of relevant information with readers? How did you know he was non-threatening? How did you know or do you know that this fellow will NEVER hurt anyone? Did the police or a mental health professional share the results of any evaluations of "the aggressor" with you? Did you know that I can have a knife or gun and it would not be an aggravated assault unless I actually stabbed or shot you? Kudos for your support of the 2nd Amendment. The comment made was meant to illustrate the popular logic used in the "if it saves just one child" arguments and apply to to police officers. Seeing as you seemed to be using the "police acted stupidly" approach of our "fearless leader" I thought it might be appropriate. But now, all has been revealed to us. You weren't telling us everything the first time, and you're trying to make it up to us now by letting us know what "really" happened. Is there anything else you left out? Are you sure? Please tell us the whole story now. LOL

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Posted by Tim Morley on 10/04/2014 at 1:32 AM

Re: “Taken by Force

Well spoken, Jwood ! I wonder how many of the folks who are so quick to jump on the bandwagon and buy into the "four officers over thirty years" argument would be the same ones clamoring to take everyone's Second Amendment rights away based on the premise that it could save one child. It's a slippery slope. Funny how the deaths of four Richmond Police Officers, being "statistically acceptable, over thirty years" is presented as justification to sacrifice good tactics and caution in favor of Mr. Payne's idea of less intimidating, feel good policing. By the way, there were other law enforcement agencies, Chesterfield, State Police, etc., who also had officers killed. To use expressions like "tactics of a violent mob" and "functional equivalent of a street gang" is hyperbole, plain and simple. Other that your "ten people to arrest one suspect" example (Are you sure you didn't count any of them twice?), how did the behavior of the police even vaguely resemble a violent mob or street gang? Try calling your local fire department sometime to tell them you smell a little bit of smoke, and see if they send one firefighter out to your house in a compact car with a fire extinguisher. LOL. That would be more cost effective, but firefighters and police both know; "It's better to have 'em and not need 'em, than to need 'em and not have 'em." Mr. Payne, you're not going to give and I'm not going to give. As a former Richmond Police officer still in law enforcement, a part of the law enforcement community and the proud father of two police officers, I hope like hell they always have the tactical advantage of superior force when doing their jobs. 'Nuff said.

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Posted by Tim Morley on 10/03/2014 at 4:20 PM

Re: “Taken by Force

So, let me get this straight....a police officer is lying in the street dead, after making an "efficient" traffic stop. His survivors are consoled with your little mantra about a "cost-benefit analysis." I think you actually started to get my point when you said you "didn't fault me for doing whatever it takes to protect my cops." That's the bottom line, Mr. Payne. We plan on going home at the end of every tour, and we're going to do whatever it takes, occasionally erring on the side of caution to do that. Each situation is different; kind of like snowflakes, if you can understand that. I don't think you're being fair when you say police send ten officers to arrest one suspect. How many times did you ACTUALLY SEE THAT? Once in Henrico? Did it happen when you rode with RPD? I seriously doubt their staffing would get them that many officers for most of their arrests. What it boils down to is that you want everyone to accept your assumptions...based on your limited perspective. So sorry to offend your sensibilities, your Monday morning quarterback session, or whatever you would like to call your not so accurate critique. To paraphrase an adage about riding motorcycles; "For those who have been a cop, no explanation is necessary. For those who have not, some explanations are extremely difficult."

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Posted by Tim Morley on 10/03/2014 at 9:28 AM

Re: “Taken by Force

Gosh, so the victim was “out of harm’s way.” What about the police officers, who by State Code, are duty- bound to make an arrest? Mr. Payne, do you think there may have been any knives inside the house? Do you know what the aggressor/ suspect may have said to the victim before the police arrived about any intentions to harm the police or himself? Probably not.
In 2011 I retired from the Richmond Police Department as a lieutenant. During my almost 32 years on the RPD, I attended the funerals of four police officers, three of whom would probably still be here today if they had benefitted from the “overkill” you see as such a problem. I could have been killed a few times myself had it not been for the fact that I had the assistance of my fellow officers.
For your information, there are two kinds of traffic stops; felony stops and UNKNOWN RISK stops. I like to remind folks of the incident where Henrico Police went to stop a vehicle for having a headlight out back around 1997. The vehicle didn’t stop and they pursued it into the city where it crashed. The vehicles occupants were captured and arrested. Only then was it discovered they had just robbed a Friendly’s restaurant and murdered a young man. Would it have been “overkill” if the vehicle had pulled over out in Henrico and a few extra police units showed up to back-up the officer making the stop? The one thing you always know as a police officer is that you never know what might happen.
It’s always easy to armchair quarterback the decisions made by the police to err on the side of caution. It’s a lot more difficult to attend the funeral of a friend and co-worker. The police departments of Richmond, Chesterfield and Henrico all offer “ride-along” programs and citizen’s police academies for members of the public who want a better understanding of what goes on behind the scenes in police work. I would encourage you to sign up, “take the tour”, and re-think your opinion.

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Posted by Tim Morley on 10/02/2014 at 10:42 PM

Re: “City’s Website Time Warp Under Repair

Try getting information on how to contest a parking ticket. If the web-site isn't bad enough, you can get the number to call the City's "Call Center", who, (after you listen to cheesy music and messages for a half hour), will refer you back to the web site. What really "burned my biscuits" was when I asked the woman at the call center for her name as I tried to document my difficulties. She told me she wasn't allowed to give me her last name (?!?!?). No employee number...just a first name. After I called the Mayor's Office, I finally got in touch with someone (with a last name) who seemed genuinely interested in helping me. As a retired City employee with almost 32 years of service (27 as a supervisor), I can't help but feel the City needs to focus on efficient, effective and friendly customer service. By giving citizens a frustrating experience (something they seem to be famous for) when they need assistance, they run the risk of driving more and more TAXPAYERS out of the City.

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Posted by Tim Morley on 07/17/2014 at 9:41 AM

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